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About To Buy A Moody 33

Discussion in 'Thinking of buying a Moody ask a question here' started by Stephen Powell, 21/6/17.

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  1. Stephen Powell

    Stephen Powell Stephen Powell Temporary Member

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    Hello, I've just joined and am looking at buying a Moody Mk I or II Center Cockpit. Apart from cosmetic are there any signficant differences in the two models? Also i have seen examples where the keel bolts have been glassed over. Would this have been done at factory? Any issues with that?

    Look forward to the replies

    Stephen
     
  2. Stephen Powell

    Stephen Powell Stephen Powell Temporary Member

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    Hello again, as prompted by Jeff I should specify Moody 33 Mark I and II
     
  3. Peter Sims

    Peter Sims Peter Sims

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    Boat name:
    SIRI
    Berth:
    Ocean Quay Marina, Southampton
    Boat type:
    Moody 44
    Cruising area:
    Ionian
    Welcome Stephen
    The layout is different down below.
    Mk 1 has a full width heads between the forward cabin and saloon, and the galley is on the port side forward of quarter berth up to bulkhead into the heads. On the Mk1 the companionway into the saloon is offset to port while access to the aft cabin is central behind the steering wheel.
    The Mk2 has central main companionway and offset access to aft cabin (I think). Galley is in the aft corner of the saloon and there is a settee running from galley forward to the forward cabin bulkhead. This means the heads are quite a lot smaller than Mk1.
    My boat was a Mk1 because I preferred that layout so clearer about it than Mk2. If I've got anything about the Mk2 wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
    My keel bolts were glassed in and when I broke one open it was as good as new. Unfortunately you will need to look carefully at each boat as the situation could be different.
    Most Mk1's were built using formica faced wood in the saloon and this doesn't look very good. A few, including mine, had teak veneered ply which looks much better in my opinion. Not sure if this applied to the Mk2.
    I sold mine last year after 6 happy years with her. They are very good boats and fantastic value if you get one that has been looked after, but you have to recognise they are getting on for 40 years old so a lot of maintenance and renewals required.
    Regards
    Peter
     
  4. Stephen Powell

    Stephen Powell Stephen Powell Temporary Member

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    Peter thank you for the reply. All good stuff. I am leaning towards the MK1 tbh . Maybe nostalgia I had more of a formica than a teak youth...
    If I go for it I intend to get the standing rigging replaced and have the boom roller furling services. I know this is probably a surveyor question but do you think the chain plates will probably need attention?
     
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  5. Stephen Powell

    Stephen Powell Stephen Powell Temporary Member

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    Have been reading through the fantatsic technical information. The main boat I am looking at seems to have been cared for pretty well, but as Peter pointed out it's 40 years old this year. Should I really be thinking of commiting to a boat of that age?
     
  6. Peter Sims

    Peter Sims Peter Sims

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    Boat name:
    SIRI
    Berth:
    Ocean Quay Marina, Southampton
    Boat type:
    Moody 44
    Cruising area:
    Ionian
    Hi Stephen
    You can't really decide priorities until you know the boat you want to buy.
    Many sails have been replaced by now and are slab reffing rather than the original roller. Nothing wrong with the original boom in most cases but the roller mechanism will be redundanat.
    Likewise standing rigging. It will certainly have been replaced at some stage, probably more than once. If it's good why spend £2K replacing it?
    Chain plates definitely need looking at. They are inside furniture but still possible to look at. If the wood they are bolted to is in good condition and well bonded to the hull they you have no problem. Biggest issue will be water ingress through the deck and I would be surprised if there is no sign of that but check the wood and bolts are all good before undertaking any surgery. On my old boat they were all fine when I bought it and still good when I sold it but there had been a little water in there at some stage.
    Regarding age only you can decide. She won't be perfect but you will get a lot of boat for the money. Many have replaced engines so that takes a big worry away. My boat had the original engine still going strong when sold.Wiring could be a big issue. Many are a disaster area of additions and changes but also many have been nicely rewired.
    You will probably have high hull moisture readings unless the boat has been out of the water for some time. To be expected from a boat of this age built with the resins of its day but very unlikely to be something to worry about. Just don't allow a surveyor to make an issue of it in a report although they love to do so. Boats don't sink from high moisture content!.
    If you've got, say, £25K to spend then I would go for a very different boat. If you've got £12K to spend you can get a pretty good 33!
    Regards
    Peter
     
  7. Stephen Powell

    Stephen Powell Stephen Powell Temporary Member

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    Peter thank you again. I am widening the search and getting a much better idea of what constitutes a good value boat - not necassarily the cheapest. One very well equipped and well priced boat also had some UV damage on deck. I got quotes range from 3 to 7k!! and that was with me taking all the deck gear off myself.
     
  8. Alain LE ROUX

    Alain LE ROUX Alain Le Roux

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    Boat name:
    AMZER 'ZO
    Berth:
    Pornichet
    Boat type:
    Moody Eclipse 33
    Cruising area:
    South Brittany
    Hello Stephen,
    I do not know'if you are still looking for that kind of boat. If yes, some observations hereunder.
    I bought in November 2014 a Moody Eclipse 33 MK1 1988 in rather good condition. Sleeping rigging changed in 2012. I had compliments from different French professionals about the quality and condition of the boat.
    I am very satisfied with her.
    The price was £49,000, with a copper-coated hull.
    I had to change the genoa (tired, as a pocket), to protect the rusted keels (grinding, anti-rust, epoxy, and painting), to change the quadrant of the inside wheel (broken after oxydation with a sea-water leak around the rudder axis) and to change those seals.
    The main was not as old as the genoa and still flat but with difficulties to furling it in the Kemp mast.
    I nevertheless changed it for a new main (Crusader sails with positive chute and vertical battens at about 2500£).
    Very efficient and solving the problem of difficult furling.
    This year I had to change the Selden genoa furler that was creating problems with the stay.
    And, to finish with the necessary works, I had to change the exhaust elbow of the engine.
    I decided also to change the propeller for a Flexofold 2 blades due to the frequent ropes that I had been grasping at sea in South Brittany and Biscay where I use to sail. Not necessary but safe.
    Inside I had some varnishing and changing of the water pressure pump.
    Last month I had to change the exhaust hose of the Jabsco sea-heads.
    With the help of MOA.s forums.
    Next winter I shall have to change the sprayhood due to burnt threads.
    That's all up to now.

    I bought her in England, sailed back home to South Brittany (Pornichet) in May 2015, crossed Biscay to Spain in May 2016 (60 hours with the engine -no wind at all- on the way back with no problem), and sailed to the Scilly's and Southern Ireland in June this year.
    A fantastic boat. Very comfortable, good sailor, good value and construction.
    Take care when bying it (the keel bolts in particular), negociate the cost of identified repairs, check the owner's care, and you' ll make a good purchase.
     
  9. Alain LE ROUX

    Alain LE ROUX Alain Le Roux

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    Boat name:
    AMZER 'ZO
    Berth:
    Pornichet
    Boat type:
    Moody Eclipse 33
    Cruising area:
    South Brittany
    Regards
    Alain