Moody 346 engine power

Sailors,

We are looking for a moody 346 to buy.
There are two boats we like... the one has an 27hp Volvo pent 2003....... we ask ourselves is this enough power to handle the boat in all conditions?
We like to sail the North Sea for Holland to GB or Norway/Denmark, French coast.
We know this is a direct cooled engine and we would like to add an intercooler.... any thoughts????


All the best

Joost
 
I own a M34 which has basically the same layout as the M346 it's just the stern and two windows aft. My engine is a Volvo Penta 2003 Turbo...which means she is over powered. Wish it would be the standard VP2003 or the original Thourny craft....
 
Sailors,

We are looking for a moody 346 to buy.
There are two boats we like... the one has an 27hp Volvo pent 2003....... we ask ourselves is this enough power to handle the boat in all conditions?
We like to sail the North Sea for Holland to GB or Norway/Denmark, French coast.
We know this is a direct cooled engine and we would like to add an intercooler.... any thoughts????


All the best

Joost
I own a M34 which has basically the same layout as the M346 it's just the stern and two windows aft. My engine is a Volvo Penta 2003 Turbo...which means she is over powered. Wish it would be the standard VP2003 or the original Thourny craft....
Thank you for this helpful info
 
Joost, the raw water VP 2003 is quite a simple engine with a couple of problems that you should be aware of. There are no glow plugs so there is a cold start method for starting. Put the throttle in neutral and fully forward. Pull the engine stop out fully and return. This moves the rack beyond the full speed setting enabling each of the 3 injection pumps to over fuel the engine for starting. We sometimes need to give it a squirt of WD40 to help as well in really cold conditions.

The other problem is the gearbox splines can wear from "chatter" over time. There are a couple of well known fixes and todays price is likely to be £600.

That said Volvo made thousands of these engines and spares are readily available. Moody fitted the 2003 to the M31 Eclipse 33, the M336 and some M346. Marine Projects who made the yachts also build the Sigma range of yachts. Indeed the Sigmas have a very similar look inside. The Sigma 33 used a VP 2002, but the larger Sigma 36 a VP 2003 engine. Having sailed a 36 across the channel and back, I didn't notice any short comings. It was a training school yacht and did an awful lot of miles each year.

We tend to cruise at 2200 revs which is 5.5 knots, rarely taking it up to 2600 revs which is 6.5 knots. The red line is 3200 revs. I think Marine Projects must have bought a job lot of VP 2003s and put them in as many yachts as they could. If ours goes bang, then I would likely replace with another secondhand VP 2003 or a Beta 25. I don't think we need 28hp in a M31 and probably a good size for a M34/346. Since its only 3 cylinders you should have better access than say the Thornycroft engines which are 4 cylinders.

In the last 16 years we have replaced the engine mounts, alternator, thermostat and had the gearbox splines done. Not bad for a 35 year old engine.

So check the gearbox splines, the engine mounts for wear and its ability to start from cold. If it looks in good condition, with no leaks I wouldn't be worried.

Pete
 
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Joost, the raw water VP 2003 is quite a simple engine with a couple of problems that you should be aware of. There are no glow plugs so there is a cold start method for starting. Put the throttle in neutral and fully forward. Pull the engine stop out fully and return. This moves the rack beyond the full speed setting enabling each of the 3 injection pumps to over fuel the engine for starting. We sometimes need to give it a squirt of WD40 to help as well in really cold conditions.

The other problem is the gearbox splines can wear from "chatter" over time. There are a couple of well known fixes and todays price is likely to be £600.

That said Volvo made thousands of these engines and spares are readily available. Moody fitted the 2003 to the M31 Eclipse 33, the M336 and some M346. Marine Projects who made the yachts also build the Sigma range of yachts. Indeed the Sigmas have a very similar look inside. The Sigma 33 used a VP 2002, but the larger Sigma 36 a VP 2003 engine. Having sailed a 36 across the channel and back, I didn't notice any short comings. It was a training school yacht and did an awful lot of miles each year.

We tend to cruise at 2200 revs which is 5.5 knots, rarely taking it up to 2600 revs which is 6.5 knots. The red line is 3200 revs. I think Marine Projects must have bought a job lot of VP 2003s and put them in as many yachts as they could. If ours goes bang, then I would likely replace with another secondhand VP 2003 or a Beta 25. I don't think we need 28hp in a M31 and probably a good size for a M34/346. Since its only 3 cylinders you should have better access than say the Thornycroft engines which are 4 cylinders.

In the last 16 years we have replaced the engine mounts, alternator, thermostat and had the gearbox splines done. Not bad for a 35 year old engine.

So check the gearbox splines, the engine mounts for wear and its ability to start from cold. If it looks in good condition, with no leaks I wouldn't be worried.

Pete
Thank you Pete. this is usefull information
I’m not sure how to inspect the gearbox splines i gues i have to disconnect the gearbox from the engine.
I’ll try the coldstart.

Best Joost
 
Indeed you do. If you find splines then it needs converting to a hexagon fitting. This involves sending a part off to be machined. From memory to DB Marine who specialise in this job. You will find write ups on here about doing the job. You may well find the splines very damaged. Even if you dont the advice is this is a design fault and needs to be sorted. Its a disaster waiting to happen. There is also an issue with the quality of the rubber bushes DB Marine supply. There is a company called Superflex, who specialise in polyurethane bushes for cars, who made a much better replacement set of bushes which are much better, I changed to these, although I heard DB Marine had changed their bushes anyway. You will need to get the prop shaft out of the way, difficultly will depend on what shaft seal you have, then getting gearbox off is easy.
Its a standard job on the 2003. I did it myself so it must be easy!!!
Keith
 
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